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Offline bandman

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« on: November 30, 2005, 10:50:12 PM »
Hello,

My name is Steve Schofield, and I live in Gillette, Wyoming and have been a pilot for 3 years now (120 hrs. TT). I've always wanted to build a Rutan - Canard aircraft since I was a kid......but because of time and lack of building experience issues, I know that won't happen....so I'm thinking of buying one in the near future. However, I was wondering if anyone out there in the Wyoming/Colorado/South Dakota area would be willing to give me a ride, so I could see and feel it in person....I would, of course, pay for the fuel :)

Please contact me if you are interested!
What a great forum!!
Take Care,
Steve

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2005, 11:57:24 PM »
Steve word of advise if you touch the stick be ready. I suggest you have a hanger ready to go and cash in hand. Because, it will be like nothing you have ever flown before I promise. Your mouth will be on the ground from 5oooft up :D . So far, since I have touched the stick. I have payed dearly building my own, and I wouldn't change it for the world. I can't wait to feel that feeling again. it is instantly addicting.

Good luck! Your gonna have a blast.

Tony

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2005, 10:51:27 PM »
I forgot to mention that I would drive to your airport (you would not have to fly to Gillette). A long-eze or vari-eze ride would be much appreciated!!

I would really like to get the "feel" of the aircraft before I decide to purchase one....

Contact me at:
bandman@bresnan.net

Thank you!!
Steve

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2005, 07:29:26 AM »
Lack of time and lack of building experience...

I can understand this----I have bought 2 canard airplanes myself.  But keep this in mind...

If you are really saying that you would rather fly now than wait 5 or more years-----I can understand.  However, don't think you can buy one of these planes and treat it like a car.  It is not.  You don't purchase an experimental airplane----it is a lifstyle.  You will need the plans and all of the canard pusher newsletters----and you need to get familiar with them.  You will also need to belong to Central States Association.  And if you don't have building skills (like most of us when we started), you will soon.

Experimental planes need to be cared for----and it will take time to do this.  You will break something----and you will need to fix it.  You will at sometime want to modify something----and you will do it.  But you can't do those things without the plans.  And getting people to work on these unique planes will be quite hard unless you have lots of cash.

Embarassingly enough, I had to learn to fix my plane after my first solo flight.  Prior to the flight, I did not crank the gear all the way down against the overcenter lock.  It felt weird taxiing---but could not figure out why.  Then the nose fell all the way to the ground and sheared the teeth off the round worm gear mechanism.  I had read all the newsletters prior to me buying the airplane---and knew what I had done----and knew what I had to do to fix it.  The temporary fix was to turn the worm gear mechanism 180 degrees (to use the normally unused gear teeth).  However, I did not know much about the nose gear structure----so I pulled out the plans, studied them, and charted a course of action.  I later ordered a new round gear from Brock and replaced the original.

I have owned a Longez since 1999----and sold it this year.  Bought my Cozy in April.  I would consider my Cozy in very good condition---way better than my Longez when I bought it.  But even with a Cozy in very good condition, since April,
-installed a solid state turn coord and ILS (this caused me to have to do a fiberglass job on one of the fresh air inlets---one of the gauges would not install due to the vent being in the way----moved the vent)
-got rid of the standup master cylinders (anybody want to buy some---I have 4?) and replaced with the laydown kind
-replaced the brake lines (leaking)
-removed the plans built heater valve (it leaked and could not fix it---pumped hot air into the cockpit in the summer---too hot) and bought a standard heat valve from spruce---works great---involve adding another push pull cable (2 control cables to the heat valve).  This also involved making some new fuel lines to clear the valve
-the builder had a fuel line cutting thru a fiberglass baffle on the lower cowl.  I thought the line got in the way of cooling---and made the cowl hard to get off.  Made another fuel line and rerouted
-lots of plugging major and minor holes in the baffling
-removed lots of brittle plastic clamp in engine bay---replaced with adel clamps
-removed a restrictive breather system---and replaced with the correct size
-electronic ignition wires worn----replaced
-lengthened the lower cowl baffles to "retune" cylinder cooling
-replaced the bracket that holds the nose gear to the spring (Steve Wright sells it)-----the builder cut it in half to install it---no right---putting the new one on involved some fiberglass work on the nose gear cover (maybe that is why he cut it in half)
-Will be installing a EFIS Lite as soon as it gets here

Like I said, the above list is just from April---some of the items were required and some were desired.  And keep in mind that that was work on what I would call a very good airplane----and I knew what I was buying

The bottom line is---I love these planes.  I invest just about every weekend flying or fixing.  Experimental aviation is not just about flying----it is about working on these great machines.

I am not trying to warn you off.  But you really have to ask yourself a couple of questions.
-Do you have the time to invest about learning about these machines---and working on them?
-Do you have the desire to learn the required skills to do these tasks?

If the answer is "yes", then you are good to go (I don't even care what your current skill set is---the desire is what is required).  If not, you should reconsider.

Also, these machines (all piston powered aircraft) like to be flown weekly----they rust if they sit.  If you don't have the time to fly weekly, you may want to consider renting only----or getting a partner.

My plane is currently down for the winter.  I will be winterizing the engine this weekend.  In between flights during my "flying season" I pump dry air into the breather to keep moisture from forming.
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2005, 09:13:53 AM »
Hi Drew. Very thoughtful post, above. As an aside, you mentioned something I've been pondering how to do for a while and am wondering what your scheme is.

There are many factory and expert accounts to the effect that the number one engine problem maker is crankcase moisture during idle periods. So, I've been wondering why no one yet has managed to "productize" something for keeping engines dry...conveniently. Short of filling the engine with preservative oil and using dehydrator plugs, there does not seem to be much else to do when the engine will be idle for 3 weeks or so every now and then.

Glad to hear that you pump dry air into the breather. 'Makes perfect sense. How exactly do you do this? How do you get your air dry to begin with?

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2005, 09:55:43 AM »
Actually there are a couple of ways to keep moisture from getting into your engine.  One is to heat it.  I don't do this---and I am not an expert on which way is best.  But you can put blanket over the cowl and put a light bulb inside.  Or you could use an electric blanket.---Once again---no experience---and not an expert

I pump dry air in after each flight.  There is a product at Spruce called an Engine Saver.  Pretty simple device actually.  It is basically a fish tank pump that pushes air through a 2 liter container of dissicant (sp?) beads (same stuff as in dehydrator plugs).  And then pushes it via a tube into the breather.  The beads change color with moisture.  In the summer I have to change the beads weekly----and much less in the winter.  You just have to put the beads into a cookie sheet, put them in the oven, and then keep them in there until they change to the proper color.

After each flight, I put plugs into the exhaust and then put the tube in the breather.  I have it on a timer and only run it from sundown to sunrise.
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2005, 10:45:07 PM »
Drew,

Thank you for that great reply! You said a lot of things I needed to hear....I guess I'm just not very confident when it comes to building things....you should see the last CD cabinet I built! :)

I guess here is what it boils down to....I fear that I would spend 5 years building something, and then find out that there is something about the plane that gets me.......the high landing speed....right handed controls for a dominately left handed person, etc. I know I would ultimately find the time to build, but would I really like the end result? I hear you guys talk and I can hear the "Love" you have for your planes, so I know it must be rewarding...I can sense that from this community!

The only thing I have to compare it to is 10F (C-172n) and 588HC (C-172xp). I love the look of the Canards, and best of all, the performance. I feel these airplanes could give me what I had envisioned when I started training for my Private ticket. So I sure don't want to come off as some snot-nosed kid who has money to spend, and I sure hope I didn't offend any of you, I just wanted to make sure I was ready for that leap of faith, and was trying to "compensate" for my lack of "shop" skills.

Anyway, thanks again Drew, I appreciate your candid post.

Take Care,
Steve

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2005, 07:34:33 AM »
Absolutely no offense taken on my side----I'm a buyer too!----twice!  You don't need ready made skills to work or build these planes----but you have to have the desire-----and you have to have some kind of inkling that you would like to learn.  Just want to make sure that there are not buyers out there that think they can buy an experimental plane and not work on them-----like a car.  The plans are essentially written in a way that a non-handy person can build one of these.  The only exception may be the part of the brake system.  Both Rutan and Puffer assumed everyone knew how to bleed brakes.  However there are some good sites on the web that show how to do it.

Just remember 2 things
--You WILL have to work on your plane---and it really is fun
--You really need to fly it often----otherwise the plane really will rust away---If you can't fly it often (time, money), you can mitigate this risk by getting partners .

The high landing speeds do not take a greater skill----it just requires a longer runway.  However, these planes do have a great tendency to accelerate----and more attention is required to maintain on speed.  

The right hand left hand thing is not that big of a deal.  I prefer the stick in the right though.  All fighter airplanes are set up this way (stick in right hand throttle in left hand).  The only main difference is that the EZ stick is totally on the right side (like an F-16).  At least in the F-4, F-15, F-14, F-18, etc, you could fly with your left hand----and some do when you want to do some other cockpit chores that requires the right hand-----but in the EZ/F-16, you really don't have this option.  There is a good thing for a right hander flying a left stick (or a left hander flying a right stick)----you don't have to let go of the stick to write down freqs/clearance/etc.  Some of the F-16 right handers I know say they teach themselves to write with their left hand.

When I got my Cozy (stick on left), it actually took me a couple of flights to get used to it.  I could not understand why my first two landings in the plane were perfects----and my next 10ish or so were...not that great.  When I say not that great-----they were still good---but it was like I lost a little of my touch.  Then I realized that my first 2 landings were done in the right seat with the stick in my right hand----no wonder!  Well, as stated, after the first 10ish landings, it was a non issue.
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2005, 10:31:53 AM »
Drew thanks for the lead on that enginesaver. I think I will try something like that.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2005, 05:02:23 PM »
Hmmm we lost a few posts from the 11th and 12th.. but thanks Drew for the add'n insights.

John

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2006, 10:14:58 AM »
Winterizing is more of a problem; Lycoming engines have much of the
works in the top but you cannot fill the engine with oil as the oil filler
tube will start dumping it out.

So really winterizing means to take the engine off and turning it upside
down.   Then the oil will cover the cam and crankshaft.  

You still cannot fill it without plugging various openings.   And the oil
filler tube is still a problem.   You cannot plug it with a rubber stopper
and prevent leaking because then plastic is cut to shorten it and the
fiberglass patch will leak oil.

I have done that once; I have an engine hoist AND a big tire to sit it
on AND a son to "muscle it around".

Not fun.

There ain't no way to get there from here...... :(
Yelm, WA
Longeze N199BH
retired
taught at Maui Community College

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2006, 12:24:54 PM »
Steve
You should be warned about these canards aircraft.  Once you fly one you may become spoiled and addicted.  I have had my Long ez since 1998 and bought it from the original builder.  I have flown a few spam cans since then and they seem so slow.  There is something cool about climbing out from the runway on a downwind departure and to be passsing 1800 feet agl at midfield.  Kind of gives you a silly grin.  For me it's a total poor mans F-16, enjoy.
Jeff
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2006, 07:24:13 AM »
Steve,

I think, and I hope you will get that ride. The canard community is small in comparison to GA, but very close. Anyone out there with a Vez or LEZ, knows what it was like prior to having their own plane.

I got my first ride in a Long EZ while on vacation in San Antonio from an Old-Timer named Skip Barchfield. I looked up the local EAA in that area, found out the Chapter had a canard driver and I asked him for a ride.

The above post is correct in that you should have your checkbook ready because in a work the ride was “INCREDIBLE.” In addition to having a control stick in the back, Skip also had a throttle control that allowed me to make power changes.

My only advice is for you to be aware of the below math equation:

BUY NOW = FLY NOW              
BUILD NOW = FLY ?

There are clear advantages to both approaches; however as a builder I can tell you the things most builders will never say:

1) I have too much time to work on my project
2) I have too much space to work on my project
3) I have too much money, and I can’t invest it all in my project
4) My wife/girlfriend has never given me a hard time about my project

Good luck, and welcome to the world of canards.

Ghost