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Offline allen

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« on: April 27, 2006, 07:23:48 AM »
29 days until I fly my new plane. The wait has been killing me! I have wanted one of these planes since I was a teenage airport rat at Mojave Airport. This still does not seem as if it is really happening. I suspect it will be “real” once I am heading back East sitting in the pointy end.

My sectionals arrived last night and I have begun planning the trip East to Virginia. Winslow, Monument Valley and the Grand Canyon are on the to-do list for the trip home. Any veterans out there with recommendations on a route?

I have been flying the Long-Ez in my MS flight simulator. I do not know if the flight dynamics are accurate, but it has certainly helped to get the sight picture down. I also have the POH and have been studying that for a few weeks now. I also purchased the new AirMap 600c with terrain awareness for the trip home.

Any recommendations on how I can help my transition? I’m trying to do everything I can short of getting actual stick time, and I’m working on that as well. I will be staying with the seller for a few days to get checked out and learn all I can before I leave. I have allotted 10 days to find my way home so that leaves some time to hang out in San Diego and just fly around getting familiar with the plane. We do plan on heading up to Big Bear and doing some high DA work as well. On the way back I plan on flying strictly day VFR and landing on nothing shorter than 5k.

I’m open to suggestions. There are plenty of gurus on this forum that have made the successful transition. How else can I prepare for the first flight, and how can I remain sane during the wait?
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Allen
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2006, 09:01:15 AM »
I don't have much time in an EZ, but here are my suggestions:
1. Follow the Rutan suggestions; time in at least two different planes in the months leading up to your flight.  I understand the Grumman Tiger mimicks the LongEZ pretty well.
2. I recommend X-Plane flight simulator over MS.  It has a good LongEZ model available that you can tailor for your weight and HP.
3. The Long EZ is a remarkably well behaved airplane.  Once you get the hang of it, it is no more difficult to fly than a C-172.

The EZ are pitch sensitive compared to Cessna's.

On takeoff, make sure you do not over-rotate.  Keep the canard below the horizon!

During taxi tests, practice raising the nose and just holding it there.

On landing, don't flare like you do a regular airplane.  Start the flare, and then ease (fly) the nosewheel onto the ground.

The EZ is aerodynamically very clean.  Precise airspeed control on landing is critical.  If you are only 5mph or so fast on landing, you will take a lot more runway!

An EZ won't stall, but don't let that make you complacent.  They will achieve a very high rate of sink if you are too slow.

Hope this helps.  Have fun.  Fly safely.
Charles Davis
Louisville, KY

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2006, 09:34:31 AM »
This is a relatively low-time student pilot speaking; but I've taken a ride in a couple of EZs and am training in a Diamond DA-20 right now - its probably the closest thing I've found for a primary trainer (I've briefly flown a C-172 and a Piper Arrow; and both were Mack trucks by comparison).  

The Diamond is a responsive little composite plane that doesn't like slowing down either (2nd notch of flaps are essentially speed-brakes).  Its a tractor configuration with side-by-side seating; but it has a small center-mounted stick (not a yoke) and similar approach speeds (~65 kts).  It is also hard to stall, mostly buffetting and occassionally trying to roll-off down around 30 kts; but no defined stall "break" and only a modest sink-rate during stall (with decent control effectiveness throughout).

Even though the view directly over the nose is blocked when you're the GIB, you might try to hop a couple of EZ rides here over the next couple of weeks - get a feel for the canard out in front and the "sight picture" of where it rests relative to the horizon in level flight and at approach/departure attitudes.  Also, learning to NOT over-control the side-stick is important (see various CP's through the years for accidents relating to that).  The EZ isn't "twitchy" - but compared to a Cessna or Piper, the stick deflections seem much smaller and take much less force.  This is where playing a sim with a joystick helps; tuning your hand-eye coordination.  Try to use mostly wrist control while playing the sim - don't "yank and bank" the joystick with your arm.

Good luck - and I am SOOOO jealous!    :P

--Noel

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2006, 08:17:02 PM »
Allen,

I'm in San Diego, building a LongEZ.  There are a good number of local 'EZ' folks around.  If you would like to chat, send me an email off my profile.  I'm interested to hear whose plane you purchased!

--Scott

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2006, 06:26:22 AM »
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I ordered a copy of X-Plane last night. However, my home computer is 4 years old so I may need to upgrade the video board in order to run this simulator. No worrys though, I have been looking for a reason to get the G4 for a while now.

Swinn, I sent you an email.
Allen
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1998 O-320 160HP
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Re: Transition
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2006, 08:44:56 AM »
Quote from: "Charles Davis"
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On landing, don't flare like you do a regular airplane.  Start the flare, and then ease (fly) the nosewheel onto the ground.

The EZ is aerodynamically very clean. .


Whenever the nose wheel contacts the tarmac you want firm contact with it.  It's real twitchy and you can lose the sucker in a heartbeat.  When I take off, it's a clean break from the runway.

Unless your a real pro in flight testing, even taxi testing at speeds over 30 knots can be hairy.  Ensure you have your egress procedures memorized, emergency procedures down pat and strap in tight for any taxi work.

It's a slick puppy in the pattern.  Drop the nose a tad and it's 10 knots in a heartbeat.  

I have flown my Long in 20 knots of direct crosswind before.  Just have to fly it to the bitter end and add some knots.  This is not for the faint hearted.

Good Luck;

Jack

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2006, 09:19:19 AM »
I am typing out and laminating my checklists and emergency checklists right now. I would be very interested to hear any personal checklists that are out there. Seems that every pilot has a tailored checklist of some degree or another usually the result of some event in the past that scared the hell out of someone. Things like the nose wheel shimmy are good pearls to plan for.
 :shock:
Anyone who has a checklist that is willing to share I would love to have a look. You can email it to me at:

allen.crowder@hcahealthcare.com
Allen
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1998 O-320 160HP
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2006, 02:59:22 PM »
Allen,

my .02.

Remember when people say the plane won't stall that is a little missleading.. All wings stall. In an ez the canard stalls before the main wing. ( then the nose drops,some call it pitch bucking,... until it regains the correct Angle of Attack...

 This is important to totally groc on landing. Do not come in slow...Do not come in slow, you do not want the canard to stall 6' above the runway... I've done it. ( in the rain with a GU canard...another story)

As long as you understand this and have a long runway you will be just fine... your mains will be firmly on the ground while you are flying the canard to the speed where it loses lift and sets down the nose wheel.


...and yes easy to over-rotate on take-off... Very light stick forces...Make sure your trim is set at the right place.

Don't be afraid to go around... i completly missed my 1st attempt at a 4,500' RW



Make sense?

Dave
408 EZ Long EZ 0235-L2C / Great American 62X62 / IFR / GU canard

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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2006, 04:24:43 PM »
Whose plane did you buy?
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2006, 09:10:34 PM »
I purchased Al Hodges plane. He has put many hours on it and has done several cross country flights. It is a proven plane so I felt comfortable with it. Drew Swenson has really been helping me with the process. Saturday he came down and took me for a ride in his Cozy. The ride of a lifetime!
Al has been great to work with as well. I look forward to meeting him finally.

25 days and a wake-up!
Allen
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1998 O-320 160HP
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2006, 10:21:06 PM »
Allen - Good choice!  I had the good fortune of meeting Al several times down at the Trio Avionics hangar when I was bumming around there at the end of '04...  He's a great guy and you're getting a fun plane.  If I'd had the money, I would've bought her first! :-P

If you think the Cozy was fun, just WAIT until you've seen the maneuverability of the Vari!   8)

Take care, and get prepped!

--Noel
(...Trying to decide whether to become an EZ builder this winter; or an EZ buyer next summer)

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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2006, 01:36:56 PM »
I flew a Katana from about 5 hours just before I bought my Long ez.  I had about 3 hours rear seat time before I soled her.  The thing that was a suprise to me was that it felt like it was on rails.  Not twitchy at all, but you don't need much movement to move her around.  All the other coments are right on.  One other thing, she is small inside so have your flight plan and paperwork ( sectionals ect. ) well organized.  With GPS and a moving map display it makes things eaiser.  Your gonna love it.

Jeff
N141
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2006, 02:20:15 PM »
Allen
So what happened.  You seemed so excited to pick up Al's plane, now I read where you backed out.  Why ?  Would be interested to learn if you thought the aircraft was much different than you expected as far as handling and what not.  Just wondering about your side of the story.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2006, 04:56:12 PM »
Jeff,
I have not seen anything on any boards.  Can you post what you have?---or give me a pointer to it?
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2006, 11:04:09 AM »
Drew
This is the post Al put up on the Yahoo Canard User group.

Before Selling:

   In the process of selling my Long-EZ, an unusual circumstance
   occurred. A prospective buyer convinced me, in spite of less than
   100 hours of flying experience, that he had dreamed of owning a
   Long-EZ since he was ten years old. Many hours with a Long-EZ
   simulator on a computer gave him confidence. Well, Wilbur and
   Orville did not have a CFI available, and they made it. I did not
   receive good advice and I made it, but I confess, I had about 1,000
   hours more experience than Wilbur and Orville. So, we decided to
   give it a try.

   He volunteered to send a non-refundable deposit to hold the plane
   off the market until he could fly to San Diego.

   Before arriving in San Diego, I explained on the phone, the extra
   conditions we would require. My son recently purchased a Long-
   EZ. His experience transitioning from a Cherokee to the Long-EZ
   caused him to suggest using an “Orientation.” I will include this as
   an addendum for “2000 Ways to Fly a Canard” and post it on
   www.ez.org under Articles.

   --------------

   The final paragraphs are:

        “After completing the testing and orientation steps above, if
        you do not feel completely comfortable taking delivery of
        and flying the Long-EZ, we offer to deliver it to your home
        base with you in the back seat. Your expense will be fuel,
        motel, and any other travel expenses, plus one airline ticket
        for return to San Diego.

        I believe all reasonable attempts have been made to provide
        a thorough orientation in this aircraft, and feel my level of
        proficiency is sufficient for me to safely fly Long-EZ N____.

        ______________________________  Date ___________
                       Buyer

        Witness: _____________________

   -------------- -

   Observations: The number of hours is less important than the
   mental attitude of the buyer. Flying hours experience contributes
   to a solid mental attitude and improves reaction when anything
   unusual occurs. This is more important than flying skill.

   The first red flag: My buyer was very upset because the EZ lost the
   left magneto the evening before he arrived. His lack of experience
   meant he did not realize how lucky he was.
   1) I paid for the new mag.
   2) He did not have it fail during the trip back home that would have caused an
unexpected expense, for hotels, meals, a new mag, and labor over a holiday
weekend.

   The next red flag: He kept asking everyone how to fly a Long-EZ.
   The intro booklet (“2000 Ways To Fly a Canard”), which he said
   he had read several times, combines over 175 years of EZ-pilots’
   experience for maximum benefit. It did not take me long to
   comment, “I hope the last person he talks to gives him good
   advice.”

   The next red flag: He seemed more interested in getting rides than
   learning. A former EZ pilot gave him a ride in a Lancair. I
   mentioned it would not help him in the Long-EZ, but his comment,
   â€śIt will be an experience flying in a different airplane.”

   At one point, he decided that the lack of certain details made him
   wary of the experimental aircraft, and he felt he should not buy this
   Long-EZ. My reaction was immediate. “If you are not comfortable,
   for any reason, do not buy the plane.” After making a few phone
   calls, he returned with a new decision, “I will buy the plane.” We
   scheduled a flight for the next morning, after which he would start
   taxi tests.

   After the flight in the morning, he raised another red flag. After
   descending from over 6,000 feet to about 4,500 feet, I added power
   with a very lean mixture. His comment, “I was very nervous when
   the engine ran rough.” The rough engine lasted for as long as it
   took me to change the fuel mixture. However, give him credit, he
   flew the plane very well in a long climb with right and left turns.
   That was a green flag.

   He was still going to buy the plane. When we returned to my
   house, about five o’clock, I said, “Let’s review the paper work.”
   He pulled out his phone, started a conversation, walked out the
   door, and disappeared for three hours. That was a little red flag.

   When he returned, he said, “I have decided not to buy the plane.”
   In a way, that was a relief. There may be exceptions, but several
   hundred hours of flying experience seem to be a requirement
   before entering the Experimental field. If anything unusual would
   have occurred, his response could have been panic and fatal.

   Final comment: Unless a person feels comfortable, they should not
   get a Long-EZ. This was my first experience under these
   conditions, and it was a learning experience. For over 17 years, I
   thought those other Long-EZ pilots were a strange breed.

   Now, I looked in a mirror!

   Al Hodges
   El Cajon, CA
Jeff
Long ez N141