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Offline Vandy12

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Paint: What did YOU use?
« on: April 28, 2012, 05:28:29 PM »
Well folks, I'm getting close the point where  I narrow down what to use to coat my Varieze re-furb project.  I've received bits of advice here and there about what to use to prime and paint it, and am curious about what the masses are primarily going with.

She was flown by the builder in early primer alone, and a lot of that has been sanded down pretty far since.  The filler (mircro) has been excellent, and I'm about to the point where I need to pick out what I'm going to go with.

There's several brilliant whites to go with out there, urethane included - but I'm planning on flying it a bit in the 'naked' primer (UV blocking, obviously) while all the bugs get worked out.

Please let me know what you used to both prime and paint your birds, and how they've held up over the years.

Thanks and fly safe!

Brian
Brian Strack
Edmond, Oklahoma
Varieze 369MS - in refurb
Sundance Airpark (KHSD)
Air Force Flight Standards Agency

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 12:08:50 AM »
Brian,

For  primer,  I used   K36  from  PPG.  It's an Acrylic Urethane Primer surfacer.   You can add (as I did ) a reducer to make it more viscous for spraying.  Then you need thinner to clean the gun.   It has significant body so you can wet sand it to remove sanding scratches, etc, . .for a beautiful smooth finish.

For the top coat,  I used a highly recommended paint by  Du Pont  called  " CHROMAONE SS "    - I  had mine custom mixed to match previous paint on my bird.  The paint mach didn't come out perfect, but the paint  is excellent.  It is a two part paint.  You must mix a hardener with the paint.  Then if you have any blemishes to fix you gotta do it within 24 hrs because the paint continues to harden.  I seemed to have a problem with orange peel.  Too dry shooting.  But I wet sanded the finish coat in the next day or two and followed with progressively finer buffing with buffing compound.   I ended up with a glasslike finish.  No wax for at least a month as the paint must continue to harden.   This stuff is supposed to wear like iron.  So far I have been pretty impressed.

I don't remember the cost of the primer but the paint was $100.00 a quart.  I got two coats on each wing with a quart each. 

Good luck ! !   :)

Glennbob
N600EZ  O-320-E2A,  Hertzler prop, Trio AP, Narco HSI, Custom headers, Oil heat.

Offline Rick Hall

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2012, 11:50:29 AM »
  ....  I got two coats on each wing with a quart each.  ....

Can you clarify please? One quart of color was enough to do two coats on both wings?

Rick
Cozy MK-IV, plans #1477. 90% done, 70% to go!
Currently working on the canopy, side windows just installed.
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Offline Bruce Hughes

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 02:21:37 PM »
"add a reducer to make it MORE viscous" SHOULD have read "add a reducer to make it
LESS viscous"

It is CRITICAL to use the right reducer, depending on the temperature.   I live in
Washington state.  A month or so after painting, I need a different reducer if I need
to repaint.   Guess how I know this.....

If you fail to sand the surface of the primer (now on it) EVERYWHERE, the new coat may
flake off in spots due to oil or other invisible junk.

If you sand, then prime, then fly, you will have to SAND AGAIN later.   Maybe you should
NOT fly it in primer.

PPG recommends that you clean the surface with an approved solution.  If you do that,
the approved solution will go through any pinholes and dissolve the foam underneath.
I made a new aileron due to that little problem.    PPG thinks that you are painting a
metal car.

The primer and paint are great but the hardener will shortly become junk due to exposure
to oxygen in the air.   You will need to buy new hardener after a few months.   That gets to
be quite expensive.

PPG does sell a one-piece patchup paint.  You should get some that matches the paint color
when you buy the paint as tiny imperfections can be touched up without mixing hardener,
reducer, and paint.

You should pick a commonly used white color (there must be hundreds of "white" paints)
in your favorite auto supply store, even though you are not buying your gallons from
them.   They carry spray cans for some white cars.  Then you are NOT bound to PPG
for later touchup, as you can get a spray can from the auto supply store. 

NEVER consider using IMRON unless you have a professional painter do the painting;
it is too toxic.  The PPG paint is dangerous enough; you need total clean air, as outside
the shop AND a special mask for painting.

Many years ago Ken Miller published a short discussion in a Central States Newsletter
regarding the filling of tiny imperfections AS YOU PAINT, with your PPG.   You should find
that discussion; it was invaluable to me.  When you spray and "run out" of paint in
the cup, there is still a tiny bit of paint.   Before it hardens, you add a little micro, mix,
and apply to any tiny spots that need a little fill.  Of course you need a helper to be
cleaning the spray gun at the same time or you will have a gummed up spray gun.

Bruce Hughes   :)
Yelm, WA
Longeze N199BH
retired
taught at Maui Community College

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 04:03:26 PM »
I flew my Long-Ez in PPG primer for flight test period and then painted it a year or so later with a PPG base coat/clear coat.  PPG makes a "plastic parts cleaner" that we used.  As part of the prep, immediately before painting, we applied the cleaner per instructions.  That was over 10 years ago without any signs of peeling/flaking.  If I were doing it over, I would probably choose a white color, single stage urethane paint and get the trim colors from a vinyl graphics auto shop.

Steve Rothert
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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 10:49:15 PM »
I was afraid I might be misunderstood about the quart per wing thing.   Here is the clarification.   One quart was enough to shoot one wing twice.  There was a little left over. 

Glennbob

N600EZ  O-320-E2A,  Hertzler prop, Trio AP, Narco HSI, Custom headers, Oil heat.

Offline Vandy12

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2012, 11:30:07 AM »
Anybody ever use the Stewart System EkoPrime / EkoCoat...or know of anybody who did? 
Brian Strack
Edmond, Oklahoma
Varieze 369MS - in refurb
Sundance Airpark (KHSD)
Air Force Flight Standards Agency

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2012, 05:27:54 PM »
I'm useing K36 PPG primer and single stage 2 part PPG paint. Using Ford ultra white. Touch up later will be easy and can be done with a spray can.
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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2012, 09:57:57 PM »
....   One quart was enough to shoot one wing twice.  There was a little left over. 

Cool, thanks! :)

I repainted my scooter twice with a pint of ChromaColor base/clear (sand in the corners sux when you're riding at a 'brisk' pace) and a HVLP gravity feed squirt gun. No idea on how much paint is needed for a Cozy. Appears I can get by with a gallon, if it all goes on the plane and not the floor/drapes/shoes....

Rick
Cozy MK-IV, plans #1477. 90% done, 70% to go!
Currently working on the canopy, side windows just installed.
My hobby at: http://zggtr.org My plane at: http://cozy.zggtr.org/

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2012, 12:25:56 AM »
Last painting I did was over a year ago.   I checked on the cost of the  K36  primer.  It was like . . .$ 90.00  a quart  or . .about  $ 200.00 for a gallon.  My paint rep said there was another one that would work just as well for build up and block sanding. 

One gallon of paint should be plenty to paint a cozy.   Especially if most of it goes on the plane ! !    ;D

Glennbob
N600EZ  O-320-E2A,  Hertzler prop, Trio AP, Narco HSI, Custom headers, Oil heat.

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 03:49:28 PM »
"One gallon should be plenty..."

If only that was true.  I don't remember how many gallons but it was far more than one.   :(

There was more than one "sandable" primer gallons, then more than one ordinary primer gallons,
then the top coat.  Maybe $1000 worth.

And it all adds weight.

Bruce Hughes  :)

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Re: Paint: What did YOU use?
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 10:35:25 PM »
"One gallon should be plenty..."

If only that was true.  I don't remember how many gallons but it was far more than one.   :(
I'll let everyone know!
Right now I'm 95% certain I'll only need a gallon of color (and one+ gallon of clear) as my preferred brand of color coat gets reduced 1:1 to spray.

I'm also using a SATA HVLP gravity gun that's supposed to have 105.83% transfer efficiency. Seriously though, I used to use a suction spray gun where EVERYTHING had to be masked off.... even the cat. These new gravity feed big bux HVLP guns are well worth the cost IMHO.

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There was more than one "sandable" primer gallons, ...

Roger that!

Rick
Cozy MK-IV, plans #1477. 90% done, 70% to go!
Currently working on the canopy, side windows just installed.
My hobby at: http://zggtr.org My plane at: http://cozy.zggtr.org/