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Third Thursday at Casa Machado 5/17 at 6:30 PM
« on: May 10, 2007, 11:03:44 AM »
The monthly third thursday EZ get together at Casa Machado (KMYF) at
6:30 PM will be show and tell night.  Bring photos or parts of your
projects and show everyone what you've been up to.  I'll bring the PDA
based engine monitor software I've written and am currently flying
with.  Bill Ingram has been running the show down here, but he asked
me to send out some notices about the meeting this month since he will
be out of town.  Hope to see you there.  With the long days of summer
and nice cool evenings, MYF would be nice evening flying destination
in your EZ!

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 03:33:07 PM »
Could you tell us a little more about the engine monitor you're using?  I currently fly with Co Pilot and Flight Master for my Palm.  They're both excellent programs.  Co Pilot does the flight planning and weight and balance and Flight Master does the color moving map with an attached GPS antenna.  Is this something you wrote yourself or a commercial product?

Thanks,

John

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2007, 12:22:11 AM »
The engine monitor runs on my PDA.  I wrote the software myself.  It uses an RS232 data feed from the Grand Rapids EIS 4000 which I have mounted in the back seat, and all the probes run to the EIS.  My software does graphic display, some analysis functions (like leaning, % power, etc...) and data logging to SD cards.  I can display the logged data in Excel or other spreadsheet/charting app.

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Third Thursday at Casa Machado 5/17 at 6:30 PM
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2007, 06:35:52 AM »
swinn,
Can you post your percent power equation?
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2007, 01:27:27 PM »
This was a difficult one for me.  I looked at the existing engine monitors that show percent power and realized they are only accurate when you are leaned for best power.  They don't take mixture setting into account at all.  I wanted something a bit more intelligent that this, but couldn't find a way to perform a full calculation with the information I had. (I would need the Air/Fuel ratio) which would mean I'd need a mass flow sensor.

I was looking through the Lycoming Operators Manual for my engine and found that they have two charts.  One is a 'Power and Fuel Consumption' that is a power/RPM chart for full rich operations.  The curve is really flat, so I modeled it as a linear function.

The equation is simply that of a line

I took two points off of the chart and found the slope:
(y-y0)/(x-x0) = m

Then I subbed in one of my points and solved for y.  The software subs in x and calculates y.  For O-235 L2C standard pistons, that comes out to:

HP=((0.055 * RPM) - 36)

This gives me the HP the engine is making based on RPM and assuming a full rich mixture.  It is accurate at 2200 RPM, and 2800 RPM, but off by 3-5% in the middle since I simplified the chart to a linear function.

I wanted to also see the power when fully leaned.  There is no chart for this in the Lycoming manuals, so I use a fuel flow based formula that I got from one of John Deakins engine articles:

HP = FuelFlow * 14.9

I don't know how accurate it is, but also don't know of a better way.

The Lycoming charts also show a 'best power mixture' chart.  There are several linear functions to integrate and pressure altitude is required for the calculation.  I don't have pressure altitude data available yet so I haven't done the math to integrate the chart into a usable function.

So to sum it up, I've got two calculations.  The % Power Full Rich shows up on my engine startup/climb page and the % Power Full lean shows up on the cruise page of my engine analyzer software.

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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2007, 06:12:07 PM »
For the equations that don't have fuel flow, I am not sure how you get around not using MP (along with RPM)----unless this equation takes your specific fixed pitch propeller into account.  But hey---I don't know how to do it!
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2007, 12:05:26 AM »
Drew

You are correct.  The formula is for a fixed pitch propellor.  However, it is not for MY fixed pitch propellor.  I don't know what the error is.  I'm hoping to get a power curve for my prop from the manufacturer and re-scale the formula.  Manifold pressure doesn't give the whole story of airflow, you need to know the air density as well as the volumetric efficiency and the temperature of the air.  I would like to find someone that knows engine calculations really well to help me find a better formula.

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2007, 09:34:45 PM »
See this site:
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/

On the left side of the page you can download an excel power chart for an O360.  This may or not be some value.  I used it to make a paper chart that was easy to use in the plane.
Drew Swenson
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2007, 06:10:51 PM »
Drew,

I found a new formula to use that seems to be a lot more accurate.  I found it in Kitplanes, Dec 06, article called 'Power Principle'

The formula is this:

HP = SLHP * (MAP / RATEDMAP) * (RPM / RATEDRPM)

So for my engine which is 118 HP @29", 2800 RPM the formula is:

HP = 118 * (MAP / 29) * (RPM / 2800)

I plug in MAP and RPM and get HP.  This works only for Rich of Peak.  

The other formula for Lean of Peak operations, HP = FuelFlow * 14.9 is also discussed in this article.  Evidently that formula is good for engines with 8.5:1 compression, and it varies with compression.  For a 7.5:1 engine, it would be HP = FuelFlow * 13.7

The article discusses the principles behind these formulas.  Of course they are approximations, but are pretty close.