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Offline Barney

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« on: August 26, 2007, 09:39:07 PM »
Can anyone relate story(s) of successful bailouts from Rutan EZ-type aircraft?

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 01:13:38 AM »
Bailouts ? ?  

Why dat ?   We usually fly 'em down to the runway.  Hate to throw away a good aircraft ! !

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 05:22:30 AM »
The LE canopy and hinge system does not lend itself to being easy to open.  Being a glider pilot I realize that the LE canopy is basically the same shape as a modern high performance glider with one noticeable difference... the LE canopy cannot be ejected.

I have seen a video of a German glider manufacturer experimenting with a fuselage section mounted on top of a car.  They drive down a runway at different speeds and see if the pilot can open the canopy, even with moderate speeds of 60 mph the canopy keeps on slamming shut due to the air pressure.  The best way to hinge a canopy is from the rear and opening at the front so the air will effectively rip the canopy backwards.  

Getting yourself out of the cockpit is another matter.  There are many recorded glider pilot deaths where the canopy has been ejected but the pilot fails to get out of the cockpit, this once again has been an area of much research (see http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/noah-e.html).

I'm about 12 months away from finishing my LE project and I have been seriously looking at the Ballistic Recovery System (http://www.brsparachutes.com/default.aspx).  I have been in touch with the guys there and they inform me that they haven't done any fitting to a LE before so it would have to be done from scratch, however they would assist in any way possible.  

Anyway guys, I’m never going to need a parachute… am I?  :shock:
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 06:18:04 PM »
What ever problem there is in jumping out of a glider, the propeller on an EZ type makes things much more difficult to survive. So build the plane strong and avoid other aircraft and make a soft landing !
Talking to the ballistic parachute fellows at past fly-ins, they think that the shrouds would get caught in the propeller.  
My thoughts were if I were going slow enough, had the prop stopped and the ballistic rocket were pointed forward, maybe I would survive. Anyone want to try ?
I do recall in an old CP or CSA Newsletter that someone with an EZ was giving an installation a try by attaching to the main spar.

Fly safe and land slow,
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2007, 08:51:24 AM »
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the LE canopy cannot be ejected.


I seem to recall there was some discussion in early CPs about how to do this.

Basically, attach cables to the hinge pins, then route the cables to a pull tab on the inside of the aircraft.

I don't think I would pull the pins without first opening the canopy. The canopy would probably slide back and decapitated the pilot. (OUCH)

A Plans canopy and Plans canopy stay will normally not survive a opening in flight, The canopy will swing open hard and fast and smash against the strake after ripping out the canopy stay.

The gas cylinder canopy stay that I use will probably allow the canopy to open to its normal open position while in flight.

With that said, here is my plan. I practice it, and hope I never need to use it. Obviously, this all depends on altitude.

NEED TO BAILOUT

There are four scenarios that I can think of that will require bailout:

A) Immediate structural failure - i.e. mid air while performing ACM or Formation flights.

B) Immediate Structural failure -  Test flying, and something breaks.

C) Imminent structural failure -  i.e. in-flight fire with such severity that structural failure will occur be for a safe landing can be made.

D) Forced emergency landing where survivability of the landing is highly questionable, i.e. mountainous terrain, pitch black night landing over questionable terrain.

For A and B, the aircraft will be uncontrollable, so these steps will most likely need to be performed while extremely disoriented.

For C & D the aircraft will be somewhat controllable, but a decision needs to be made early in the emergency.

1) Pull power to idle and mixture to cutoff.

2) Loosen belts and harness, a lot.

3) VERIFY PARACHUTE HARNESS TIGHT.

4) Head down, eyes closed, cover face, OPEN CANOPY.

5) Pull legs from cutouts and attempt to squat in the seat.

6) IF W&B device available, throw it overboard. If it cleans off the prop, great, if not, we take our chances. (SEE NOTE)

7) IF UNCONTROLLABLE, Release seat belts, push off as hard as possible.

8) If CONTROLLABLE, Pull nose up to 45 degree, roll inverted, release and push off.

My W&B device is a 20 lb chain.  Sometimes when I an performing a first flight, I need to have the CG forward, in the first flight box, Considering that I'm a light person, I sometimes need to carry ballast. The Ballast comes in the form of a 20 lb chain.

I practice this procedure before engine start on flights that I'm wearing a chute.

I Hope we never need to go beyond the planning phase of this.

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2007, 11:13:31 AM »
Both the longez and cozy canopy want to lift open in flight if not locked down.  Don't ask me how I know!! :roll:
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2007, 11:19:48 AM »
Drew :

Sounds like the voice of experience ! !    :lol:

Hey,  Has anyone ever heard of anyone that attempted a bailout ?  Are there any attempts on record ?

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Offline Bruce Hughes

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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 10:46:24 AM »
I have been around the canard world for 15+ years and I do not
recall a bailout.   I think the vast majority of pilots fly without a
parachute.   I can think of only 3 cases where a parachute and a
bailout would have helped.   2 were deep stall cases which should
never have happened (1 was fatal).   The other was a weather
situation which also should not have happened.

Check your weight and balance, don't fly in bad weather, and it
is EXTREMEMELY unlikely that you will need a bailout.

Bill Swears lost the engine and landed a Cozy on a dark night in
the ocean 100 miles from Maui ( tore a wing off) and survived
At least he had a floating airplane to protect himself.

Someone (Jack Fehling?) landed on a freeway when the aircraft
was on fire and saved the airplane.

Fly safe....     :D

Bruce Hughes    :)
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taught at Maui Community College

Offline Jack

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2007, 07:57:29 PM »
Quote from: Drew
Both the longez and cozy canopy want to lift open in flight if not locked down.  Don't ask me how I know!! :roll:


Yup and if you leave the speed brake down during takeoff, besides the noise the canopy wants to lift up.

Your better off setting up for an off field landing vice carrying a chute. If you do have structural damage from an incident you probably have lost control anyway.  By the time you unstrap, pop the canopy, and jump.  You might be a tad too low.  

IMO, better off practicing best glide speed and setting up for an off runway landing.

Jack