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Offline Steve C

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Is it too Late?
« on: January 11, 2005, 12:12:39 AM »
Hi all, My name is Steve and I live about 15 miles southwest of Scaled Composits. I fly an Avid Mark IV taildragger, Jabiru powered. It is the third plane I have built and I would grade my skill as somewhere above average. I have begun researching the possibility of building a Long EZ. Is this even possible at this time? Have I missed the boat? Is there factory support any more? How difficult is it to find components and materials. Is working with composits on this scale difficult? I have built fiberglass cowlings in the past. Is the o-235 the preferred engine? Where is the best place to find documentation on the Construction Techniques? I realize I don't know enough yet to even b e asking the right questions, perhaps you all can give me a hand up?

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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2005, 11:47:53 AM »
It is the third plane I have built and I would grade my skill as somewhere above average....

Excellent.  This is a strong start with this much experience because it shows that you can stick to a project long enough to finish it and that you have a good skill-set.


I have begun researching the possibility of building a Long EZ. Is this even possible at this time? Have I missed the boat?...

No you haven't missed the boat.  There are plenty of projects under construction.  Some of the support for parts isn't there, but keep in mind that an EZ can be built from scratch if really required.  You can still get a canopy (this is something you REALLY don't want to make from scratch), and gear legs, cowls and wheel pants are available.  In some ways the situation may be a lot better because the fruits of 25 years of refinement are out there already discovered and often documented.  The hard part may be too much information - finding and sorting through alternatives.  


Is there factory support any more?...

No factory support, but a strong support community in the form of the Central States Association (get back issues), the canard-aviators forum, and this site, plus much more.  Keep in mind that virtually any question that you have (or will have) has already been asked and responded to somewhere in the past.  With luck, someone will point you in the right direction for an answer, but you need to be prepared to do a fair amount of the research yourself by visiting projects, reviewing the archives, etc., since some of us (most?) are worn out in responding to the same questions year after year.  


How difficult is it to find components and materials. Is working with composits on this scale difficult?...

I built my VariEze having no composite experience and never called the factory once, start to finish.  Information from other local builders and reading questions/answers to other builder's questions was all I needed, given the compteteness and quality of the Rutan plans.  Obviously, you must have a full set of plans and templates, and back issues of the Canard Pusher to build the plane.  A discussion of getting plans, etc. is outside the bounds of this topic - check the canard-aviator for numerous discussions of what's required, the legal status, etc., etc.  


Is the o-235 the preferred engine?...

Heavily discussed in the past.  Short answer - the O-320 seems to be the engine of choice.  An O-235 is more economical and works fine, but the O-320 gives better preformance for high altitudes, Western operations, etc.  There have been a number of conversions from O-235 to O-320 and the converters report that they wouldn't go back.  As a VEZ owner, I don't have a dog in this fight, but that's my take on it.  


Where is the best place to find documentation on the Construction Techniques?

The place to start is the plans (Chapter 0 is an excellent course) and the Canard Pusher issues up to #82.  You can build the plane with no other source of infomation, although there are a number of faster and better construction techniques that have been developed and discussed over the years.  There is a lot of discussion on the canard-aviator forum of techniques, but beware that the quality of the recommendations ranges from excellent to down-right dangerous.  Read a variety of opinions and try to figure out who has real experience and knowledge vs. hot air and theory.  


I realize I don't know enough yet to even be asking the right questions, perhaps you all can give me a hand up?...

The deeper you dig into what's available on the web the better off you will be.  The amount of information is massive and there's no way we can recompile and feed it back to you.  The good news is that it exists and is available.  Happy hunting!
DeltaPop
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2005, 01:55:10 PM »
Right here at EZ.ORG the articles section has lots of good info a must read even if you are going to build from scratch would be:

http://www.ez.org/nonownerguide.htm

Interestingly enough Rutan allowed an outfit called TERF Inc. to publish a CD set that has all the designs Rutan has released homebuilt plans for, in PDF format. These include all the plans pages but what is not included are any full size templates you might need for cutting wing cores. If nothing else this would give you as close a look as you can get at the plans short of looking at an original to see what they are like.

You can still buy them from TERF or I have occassionally seen them on E-bay.
Harry Abbott
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2005, 02:25:21 PM »
The other option would be to purchase plans for a Cozy Mark IV, which flies a lot like a Long Ez, and can carry four people or two and baggage. Plans and support available from AC Spruce and Central States.

I build a LongEz, flew it for 1600 hours with an O-235, and it was fine, but then upgraded to an O-320 last year and I wouldn't consider the smaller engine. For the greater altitude performance, higher top speed, better climb, you accept higher fuel flow and higher landing speeds/longer rollout. But it is a ton more fun to fly now.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2005, 02:28:39 PM »
Heres one you'll like. Go to
http://www.aerocad2.com
and download their plans free.  
Concept is very similiar to the LongEZ.  This will give you a good touch and feel for what the "Plans Built" canards are all about.

Waiter
LongEZ-RG   >>    N961EZ
O-320 160hp  >>    MT Constant Speed Prop
F-16 Performance, On a Piper Cub Budget
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2005, 04:13:16 PM »
Quote from: "Dan Patch"
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Is the o-235 the preferred engine?...

Heavily discussed in the past.  Short answer - the O-320 seems to be the engine of choice.  An O-235 is more economical and works fine, but the O-320 gives better preformance for high altitudes, !


Oh yeah, more HP is good. I wouldn't rule out a 360 either.

Surf the site for ideas.  One thing I would shy away from.  Don't goose an aircraft motor too much.  I know one dude with a slick IO-540 pumped up to 325 HP and he had to pay serious bucks for a new case. Lyc wouldn't touch his with a 10 foot pole.

Good luck;

Jack

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 05:53:14 PM »
I purchased a LongEZ in Nov.2003. It is a very well built aircraft and I have had 200 hrs of wonderful flying, but it weighs in at 970 lbs.
I fly at max weight every time I take a passenger and the O-235 is just about at it's limit in getting out of short strips at high density altitudes.
Definately go for a O-320/O-360 it will make a great aircraft even better.
Easyrider

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2005, 04:51:37 PM »
I too am still thinking of building (restarting my project) a long, I have the plans, but am thinking about adding 3" right down the centerline, thus making the seat area between the armrests 20" wide....tapering back to the firewall.

I would not touch the canard, wings or spar, just reduce the fuel/ strake area.

I think o-320 is the way to go. Not really that much more than a 235....

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2005, 09:06:36 PM »
The Rutan Moldless Composite Homebuilt Sandwich Construction manual is available at the site below for only $16.95. It would be a wise idea in investing a little for the book and do the projects to learn about the techniques required to build the plane. You may not like working with composites and also, a very big factor....some are allergic to the resins used. Better to find out on the quart needed for the projects than to lay out a lot of cash.

Hope this helps.

http://www.amtbooks.com/moldless_composite.htm