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Hangar Flying / Re: Looking for Help in Buying My Dream
« on: June 26, 2008, 09:08:16 PM »
Hi David,
Long time no talkee.
Yes, Burt put out the word on the g limit reduction after Andreas Christou's finding. In the forensics of that airplane, the sparcaps were layed up rich (you can see the swelled composite structure immediately inboard of the inboard edge of the wing fitting), and when the outer fitting plate was pressed in place, it "hydraulicked" out the excess epoxy inboard, swelling and distorting the sparcap layup. I believe the problem with Mike's VariEze was that the sparcaps were also layed up with excess epoxy, but the outer fitting plates were not squeezed into place. This resulted in at least a .030 inch or more extra gap. Not very good structurally, based on the design requirements of the wing fittings.
Burt put out this limitation and was being rightfully conservative. Andreas's airplane, and (in multiple qualified people's judgement) Mike's airplane, are both examples of why Burt did this. Unless you build the airplane yourself, you really have no way of ascertaining the quality of some of the most critical structure and structural interfaces in the airframe. As a buyer, you rely on the skill (or ham-fistedness...) of the builder in ensuring your structures are safe. In one of the last Canard Pushers, Burt explicitly gives his opinion that these airplanes should not be sold. Again, rightfully conservative, having evaluated numerous accidents (and at least 3 in-flight structural failures of VariEzes) over the past several decades.
I have placarded my own Eze at 1200 pounds, and +5 -2 gs (at 1110 pounds), and +3.8 and - 1.5 at the 1200. I know exactly how all my primary structure was built, and know that it is of the best quality I could have made it. In Andreas's airplane, one would have never known about the poor workmanship in the spars. On Mike's airplane, the discrepancy was readily apparent. Burt states at least once in the CPs: "Your best workmanship is barely adequate", or words to that effect. Yup. The VariEze is pretty tolerant of less-than-good workmanship, with overdesign, but everything has its limits.
No. Mike's airplane (fortunately) did not suffer wing failure, but as I have exasperatingly stated, had very high potential for one, and it would very likely be one that "snuck up" on the pilot. The failure mode would have most-likely been cumulative material distortion in the outer upper wing fitting plates at the taper pin bore edges. Eventually, the inner plate would take on more of the flight loads than the outer plate would. Such unbalanced load distribution would impart a bending moment in the upper spar caps (centersection). Over time, such actions had very high potential to end up causing the inner plate to take the vast majority of the flight loads. There is a point where the resultant bending moment in the sparcap would cause the allowable stress level in the sparcap section to be exceeded. The sparcap was already compromised, structurally, by being epoxy-rich. Excess epoxy in a glass structure that reacts compressive loading is uglier than in structure that is in tension.
If Andreas had flown his airplane without finding the structural degradation it had, with only a single inner upper plate reacting flight loads, it would have been ugly-bad evetually I believe Andreas did frequent acro in his airplane. Lucky man. Such a structural configuration is exactly the concern I had for Mike's airplane, over the long-term.
As for the recent VariEze crash up this way, no. Not me. I got that out of my system 10 years ago (knock on wood - I have firsthand knowledge of how a hidden, latent failure mode in a system can ruin your day, which is why I can be pretty damn adamant about squwaking about failure modes I can recognize given my canard and "day job" experience). I helped recover the airplane from the field late in the afternoon with several other good souls, on the day of the crash. Pilot OK (cuts, bruises, etc.) after an overnight stay in the hospital. Airframe was totaled. Airplane was on its second test flight. Suffice to say, I'll let the NTSB report speak to this one.
One thing I hope all buyers of these airplanes do is at least go read ALL of the Canard Pusher Newsletters. Become familiar with the evolution of the VariEze and the Long-EZ (Ditto for Nat's Cozy newsletters for the Cozys), and study up on the accidents and the failure modes that caused them. Going back to 1982 with my beginning in the Rutan canard world, I still pull the CPs once in a while and refresh.
Best regards,
Long time no talkee.
Yes, Burt put out the word on the g limit reduction after Andreas Christou's finding. In the forensics of that airplane, the sparcaps were layed up rich (you can see the swelled composite structure immediately inboard of the inboard edge of the wing fitting), and when the outer fitting plate was pressed in place, it "hydraulicked" out the excess epoxy inboard, swelling and distorting the sparcap layup. I believe the problem with Mike's VariEze was that the sparcaps were also layed up with excess epoxy, but the outer fitting plates were not squeezed into place. This resulted in at least a .030 inch or more extra gap. Not very good structurally, based on the design requirements of the wing fittings.
Burt put out this limitation and was being rightfully conservative. Andreas's airplane, and (in multiple qualified people's judgement) Mike's airplane, are both examples of why Burt did this. Unless you build the airplane yourself, you really have no way of ascertaining the quality of some of the most critical structure and structural interfaces in the airframe. As a buyer, you rely on the skill (or ham-fistedness...) of the builder in ensuring your structures are safe. In one of the last Canard Pushers, Burt explicitly gives his opinion that these airplanes should not be sold. Again, rightfully conservative, having evaluated numerous accidents (and at least 3 in-flight structural failures of VariEzes) over the past several decades.
I have placarded my own Eze at 1200 pounds, and +5 -2 gs (at 1110 pounds), and +3.8 and - 1.5 at the 1200. I know exactly how all my primary structure was built, and know that it is of the best quality I could have made it. In Andreas's airplane, one would have never known about the poor workmanship in the spars. On Mike's airplane, the discrepancy was readily apparent. Burt states at least once in the CPs: "Your best workmanship is barely adequate", or words to that effect. Yup. The VariEze is pretty tolerant of less-than-good workmanship, with overdesign, but everything has its limits.
No. Mike's airplane (fortunately) did not suffer wing failure, but as I have exasperatingly stated, had very high potential for one, and it would very likely be one that "snuck up" on the pilot. The failure mode would have most-likely been cumulative material distortion in the outer upper wing fitting plates at the taper pin bore edges. Eventually, the inner plate would take on more of the flight loads than the outer plate would. Such unbalanced load distribution would impart a bending moment in the upper spar caps (centersection). Over time, such actions had very high potential to end up causing the inner plate to take the vast majority of the flight loads. There is a point where the resultant bending moment in the sparcap would cause the allowable stress level in the sparcap section to be exceeded. The sparcap was already compromised, structurally, by being epoxy-rich. Excess epoxy in a glass structure that reacts compressive loading is uglier than in structure that is in tension.
If Andreas had flown his airplane without finding the structural degradation it had, with only a single inner upper plate reacting flight loads, it would have been ugly-bad evetually I believe Andreas did frequent acro in his airplane. Lucky man. Such a structural configuration is exactly the concern I had for Mike's airplane, over the long-term.
As for the recent VariEze crash up this way, no. Not me. I got that out of my system 10 years ago (knock on wood - I have firsthand knowledge of how a hidden, latent failure mode in a system can ruin your day, which is why I can be pretty damn adamant about squwaking about failure modes I can recognize given my canard and "day job" experience). I helped recover the airplane from the field late in the afternoon with several other good souls, on the day of the crash. Pilot OK (cuts, bruises, etc.) after an overnight stay in the hospital. Airframe was totaled. Airplane was on its second test flight. Suffice to say, I'll let the NTSB report speak to this one.
One thing I hope all buyers of these airplanes do is at least go read ALL of the Canard Pusher Newsletters. Become familiar with the evolution of the VariEze and the Long-EZ (Ditto for Nat's Cozy newsletters for the Cozys), and study up on the accidents and the failure modes that caused them. Going back to 1982 with my beginning in the Rutan canard world, I still pull the CPs once in a while and refresh.
Best regards,
