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Offline flyboy

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varieze questions from a newbie
« on: August 20, 2008, 07:23:17 PM »
I know very little about the varieze, and am trying to learn more.  I am a low time Cessna driver, and have some elementary questions about the varieze, as I haven't found many online resources.  I have a few basic questions:

1. How are the crosswind characteristics?  Can a low time cessna guy handle one in a crosswind?
2. How practical is the plane to travel?  Am I correct in saying there is no baggage area?
3. How are insurance costs?
4. Are there "problem areas" in the design?
5. Are very many equipped for night flight?

And finally, please state your favorite thing about the plane, and the thing you like the least. 

I know these are simple questions and I appreciate your responses.  On the surface, I think the aircraft is awesome.  I'm just trying to figure out if its right for me.  Thanks again!

Offline Bruce Hughes

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Re: varieze questions from a newbie
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 03:32:53 PM »
Welcome, Flyboy

I have a Longeze so I am not qualified to answer your questions.

I am sure that someone will answer shortly.

Where do you live?  The CSA has Varieze drivers all over; we could suggest who
has one flying and he probably will give you a flight. :)

Bruce Hughes   ;D
Yelm, WA
Longeze N199BH
retired
taught at Maui Community College

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Re: varieze questions from a newbie
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 08:24:33 PM »
I'm in east TN and would love a chance to fly with someone.  Just email me if anyone is game.

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Re: varieze questions from a newbie
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2008, 08:14:26 AM »
Hi

You should call Steve Wright, builder of the Stagger-EZ.   His phone is 615-373-9707 and
he is the Tennessee CSA representative.   Has a great airplane, too.

I believe that Don Jones has a flying Varieze.   He is in Knoxville.   Phone is 865-803-3098.
Email is DJonesDND@yahoo.com

Also Terry Sweat in Covington (901-476-9470), Dave Teter in Sparta (931-946-3275)
and Frank Zarski in Chattanooga (423-899-6875)  have Variezes.   Several others
have Longezes, Cozies, a Velocity, the Limo-EZ, and the Stagger-EZ.

If they ask how you got their phone #s, tell them I am a member of CSA and have the directory
for CSA.   That is a good organization to join, BTW.   Best $30 you can spend if you are
building or buying a canard-pusher.

Bruce Hughes   ;D

Yelm, WA
Longeze N199BH
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Re: varieze questions from a newbie
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 08:48:29 AM »
thanks for these names.  i have been able to contact some of them and they were helpful.  even got to look at a couple, and  I believe I'll get to fly one soon. 

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Re: varieze questions from a newbie
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 10:37:34 PM »
Hi Flyboy,
I have not been on this site for a whle and just now read your questions about Variezes. I have a Varieze with a C-85 Continental that I first flew in 1981. Burt Rutan originally provided engine plans that allowed for a starter to be used with a C-85 engine since it was a bit lighter than the O-200. Since that time several light weight starters have came along and many O-200s have them. There are a few individuals that still fly without a starter, but I think they are pretty silly. Not because of the hand starting, since they hand prop very easily........ but any chance to do an air restart is a plus.
Landing and taking off in a cross wind is a snap compared to the Cessna 150 that I got my license flying. On take off the plane will immediately crab into the wind by itself and fly straight down the runway pretty much without doing anything! On landing it can be crabbed into the wind and kicked straight just before touchdown....but doing a slideslip is a no-no. The downwind wing can be blocked by the fuselage which will lose lift and the plane will flip over. Burt had limited the rudder travel years ago from four inches to about two inches to prevent a strong slideslip.
I am sure you have discovered from others by now that the plane has a great baggage area which doubles as a back seat if that baggage proves to be a passenger.........but the only other way is to add baggage pods on the wings. I have not done this, but I understand that they do allow you to carry quite a bit inside them.
The Varieze has had wing fitting corrosion problems, but if you find a plane that has been hangered most likely it is okay. The wing fittings should always have a good grease on all exposed surfaces. Also, if the top of the fitting is flush by covering or filling no lake is left for water to make a small lake.
There are two best (or more ) or favorite things about my plane. The first is the canard. It the IDEAL instrument for pitch and roll when flyiing the airplane !! The second thing is the plane has very few parts to have to remove and inspect vs a metal plane with screws and panels to remove, etc. And here is the third thing that is also really great......the mpg at a good speed. My plane is just average in performance, but it cruises at 150 mph at about 4 gph. And if I were to fly high and lean beond peak EGT like Gary Hertzler, I could maybe get close to 6o mpg. So with today's gas prices this is my new favorite thing. And maybe the last favorite thing is that it is REALLY fun to fly !!! My first long cross country was from the Los Angeles area to Arlington Washington in 7 1/2 hours with one fuel stop, so it makes a cross country plane. If you have a passenger in back, I would recommend carrying enough fuel for two hours plus reserve and be aware of density altitudes.
For insurance questions I would check with the EAA.
The only un-favorite thing is people are selling their planes at way, way too low of a price. Some Variezes have been selling for around $15k and comparing them to any other plane that flys fast, is efficient, fun, etc.....I probably would not sell mine for $25k.
Hope your questions are being answered and are able to find a good plane !!!

Wayne Johnson ........Lake Stevens, WA...........Varieze N 725EZ
email me if you want at.......... santee2602@hotmail.com


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Re: varieze questions from a newbie
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2008, 01:41:55 PM »
Good post - I agree with everything said.
Really simple aircraft, bonus of gravity feed fuel so no pumps to go wrong, light to lift & manhandle alone (Long Ez is quite a bit bigger & heavier),  small to hanger, very economical, long range that is greater than most bladders, hugely underrated a/c once the Long Ez arrived - ideal fun cheap flyer especially in today's fuel price environment. Visibility on approach with landing brake, vortilons & ideally wing fences is excellent, approach speeds of 80kts pattern & 70kt at threshold using landing brake give good short landings. Mine has o-200 engine with C85 pistons (105 HP) with a Hertzler prop (fantastic)  & take off is brisk even at full gross.
Doesn't like grass - thats about the only drawback for me & I can live with that.
Marvellous fuel efficient aircraft - becoming rediscovered. Prices may soon reflect that more.
Regards
Steve

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Re: varieze questions from a newbie
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2008, 01:40:15 PM »
I had about 100hours before I first flew my Varieze w/ 0-200. 45hrs were training in a C-150 for my private; had some C-172 time and the rest were in a Bi-Plane. I would recommend getting time in a different type of airplane to see the difference how each plane flies (like Burt suggested).    On crosswind landings, I agree they are a lot easier than a Cessna and a direct 20knot crosswind is about max. I landed w/ a 23knot direct x-wind and used full deflection of rudder and aileron to keep it on the runway. 
The baggage area w/ a passenger is not the best. My girlfriend and I traveled a lot and packed a gym back under her knees, put my cloths in zip locks and shoved them into the center spar, and then another backpack sat on her lap.
Favorite thing about the plane was the speed and fuel burn! New owner installed wheel pants and that has increased the speed. Only down fall on mine was that there were no Nav Lights and be aware that some EZ’s can have a pitch effect in the rain.  I could still fly it, but the first time I encountered rain (and it was heavy) was turning base to final and the plane pitched down. After that and knowing how the plane handled, it was fine.  Also, I never pulled my landing break until I was on a short final. 
Best of Luck,

Brett
Ft. Wayne, Indiana
Long EZ & Cozy builder (#1566)/Pilot,
Funeral Director, and A&P Mechanic