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Hangar Flying / How not to buy
« on: August 01, 2006, 01:38:03 PM »
Allen
Thanks for the great write up.  As Paul Harvey says, now for the rest of the story, and you laid it out well.  I do not know the seller personally but know who you are talking about.  It's a shame he won't just give you back the down payment, it would be the right thing to do.  I was like you in a way, I was just so excited to get my Long ez that I rushed in with blinders on.  Lucky for me, the builder did an outstanding job on the airframe and control system and every switch is labled and works !  I did get burned by the mechanic who did the annual, but I learned to search out and find an excelent mechanic in Chino Calif. ( Bill Oertel )and have always repaired items that needed attention.  Now I am in the position of a possible sale due to financial problems, so may be on the other side of the coin.  Lucky for me, the builder may buy her back, although he would rather have a cozy at this point.  And I would rather find a way to keep her.  Keep looking, not all of us canard drivers will misslead you.  Good luck on your search.

Jeff Gabrielson
Long ez N141
Hawthorne airport

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Hangar Flying / Supprised
« on: June 02, 2006, 11:10:39 AM »
Al dosn't know me from Adam I am sure, but I remember seeing his airplane and know it is a nice one.  The thing about these aircraft, they are different than flying a Cessna or Piper.  It took me a little while to get used to flying mine, but it did scare ma a little in the begenning.  I think a little fear is a healthy thing though.  I had about 700 hours total time when I purchased my Long but I don't think the number of hours are real important as long as realize that there is a huge responsibility in owning an aircraft.  I hope Allen didn't make all his judgements from flying in the back seat.  It's a word of difference up front.  I would not hesitate to buy Al's plane if I was still looking.  Someone out there will get a real nice bird.

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Hangar Flying / Long ez sale
« on: June 02, 2006, 11:04:09 AM »
Drew
This is the post Al put up on the Yahoo Canard User group.

Before Selling:

   In the process of selling my Long-EZ, an unusual circumstance
   occurred. A prospective buyer convinced me, in spite of less than
   100 hours of flying experience, that he had dreamed of owning a
   Long-EZ since he was ten years old. Many hours with a Long-EZ
   simulator on a computer gave him confidence. Well, Wilbur and
   Orville did not have a CFI available, and they made it. I did not
   receive good advice and I made it, but I confess, I had about 1,000
   hours more experience than Wilbur and Orville. So, we decided to
   give it a try.

   He volunteered to send a non-refundable deposit to hold the plane
   off the market until he could fly to San Diego.

   Before arriving in San Diego, I explained on the phone, the extra
   conditions we would require. My son recently purchased a Long-
   EZ. His experience transitioning from a Cherokee to the Long-EZ
   caused him to suggest using an “Orientation.” I will include this as
   an addendum for “2000 Ways to Fly a Canard” and post it on
   www.ez.org under Articles.

   --------------

   The final paragraphs are:

        “After completing the testing and orientation steps above, if
        you do not feel completely comfortable taking delivery of
        and flying the Long-EZ, we offer to deliver it to your home
        base with you in the back seat. Your expense will be fuel,
        motel, and any other travel expenses, plus one airline ticket
        for return to San Diego.

        I believe all reasonable attempts have been made to provide
        a thorough orientation in this aircraft, and feel my level of
        proficiency is sufficient for me to safely fly Long-EZ N____.

        ______________________________  Date ___________
                       Buyer

        Witness: _____________________

   -------------- -

   Observations: The number of hours is less important than the
   mental attitude of the buyer. Flying hours experience contributes
   to a solid mental attitude and improves reaction when anything
   unusual occurs. This is more important than flying skill.

   The first red flag: My buyer was very upset because the EZ lost the
   left magneto the evening before he arrived. His lack of experience
   meant he did not realize how lucky he was.
   1) I paid for the new mag.
   2) He did not have it fail during the trip back home that would have caused an
unexpected expense, for hotels, meals, a new mag, and labor over a holiday
weekend.

   The next red flag: He kept asking everyone how to fly a Long-EZ.
   The intro booklet (“2000 Ways To Fly a Canard”), which he said
   he had read several times, combines over 175 years of EZ-pilots’
   experience for maximum benefit. It did not take me long to
   comment, “I hope the last person he talks to gives him good
   advice.”

   The next red flag: He seemed more interested in getting rides than
   learning. A former EZ pilot gave him a ride in a Lancair. I
   mentioned it would not help him in the Long-EZ, but his comment,
   “It will be an experience flying in a different airplane.”

   At one point, he decided that the lack of certain details made him
   wary of the experimental aircraft, and he felt he should not buy this
   Long-EZ. My reaction was immediate. “If you are not comfortable,
   for any reason, do not buy the plane.” After making a few phone
   calls, he returned with a new decision, “I will buy the plane.” We
   scheduled a flight for the next morning, after which he would start
   taxi tests.

   After the flight in the morning, he raised another red flag. After
   descending from over 6,000 feet to about 4,500 feet, I added power
   with a very lean mixture. His comment, “I was very nervous when
   the engine ran rough.” The rough engine lasted for as long as it
   took me to change the fuel mixture. However, give him credit, he
   flew the plane very well in a long climb with right and left turns.
   That was a green flag.

   He was still going to buy the plane. When we returned to my
   house, about five o’clock, I said, “Let’s review the paper work.”
   He pulled out his phone, started a conversation, walked out the
   door, and disappeared for three hours. That was a little red flag.

   When he returned, he said, “I have decided not to buy the plane.”
   In a way, that was a relief. There may be exceptions, but several
   hundred hours of flying experience seem to be a requirement
   before entering the Experimental field. If anything unusual would
   have occurred, his response could have been panic and fatal.

   Final comment: Unless a person feels comfortable, they should not
   get a Long-EZ. This was my first experience under these
   conditions, and it was a learning experience. For over 17 years, I
   thought those other Long-EZ pilots were a strange breed.

   Now, I looked in a mirror!

   Al Hodges
   El Cajon, CA

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Hangar Flying / long ez
« on: May 31, 2006, 02:20:15 PM »
Allen
So what happened.  You seemed so excited to pick up Al's plane, now I read where you backed out.  Why ?  Would be interested to learn if you thought the aircraft was much different than you expected as far as handling and what not.  Just wondering about your side of the story.

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Hangar Flying / Long Ez possibly in near future
« on: May 17, 2006, 12:24:54 PM »
Steve
You should be warned about these canards aircraft.  Once you fly one you may become spoiled and addicted.  I have had my Long ez since 1998 and bought it from the original builder.  I have flown a few spam cans since then and they seem so slow.  There is something cool about climbing out from the runway on a downwind departure and to be passsing 1800 feet agl at midfield.  Kind of gives you a silly grin.  For me it's a total poor mans F-16, enjoy.

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Hangar Flying / Crisis of Confidence...
« on: May 16, 2006, 12:19:13 PM »
Not planning on any visits to LAS soon.  But with my other business there is always the possibility of a visit.  Just want to hangar talk or compare notes on Long ez 's ?

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Hangar Flying / LOW RPM to save fuel
« on: May 16, 2006, 12:11:02 PM »
A few years back I flew my Long ez from Hawthorne California to Eugene to pick up my brother and then we flew up to Arlington. After the airshow and camping out for a few days we flew out over the islands to the west and then back down to Eugene passing by Mount St. Helens.  After getting back to Southern California I calculated that I had flown 1800 miles and burned about 63 gallons giving me 28.5 miles per gallon at an average speed of 130 kts leaned back to 2400 rpm.   Average fuel flow was around 4.5 gallons per hour on an O235. Dave, I land and Creswell when I come up to see my brother.  Is that where you are ?

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Hangar Flying / ebay long ez
« on: May 05, 2006, 09:35:52 AM »
I bought my Long ez from the original builder.  It had not flown much in the previous 5 years.  She needed some attention but nothing drastic.  The engine had been pickled and she ran good, but it needed new brake lines, fuel lines, brake pads, tires, a transponder, and the nose gear system replaced.  The paperwork said it weighed 855 lbs, but I added and electric nose gear, transponder, and elt and she now weighs in at 885 lbs. With an 0235 she is a blast to fly.  When you get an airplane that hasn't flown in a while you can expect to spend many hours making it safe. I also had to replace the prop which actually save me some weight.  I have a partner that want's out so we may put the airplane up for sale this summer. We are working a few issues right now, its always something.
Good luck in your search.

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Hangar Flying / Crisis in confidence
« on: May 04, 2006, 02:57:36 PM »
Noel

Actually that was a shamless plug on my part to get you to look at Pharmanex, a businees that you can work from any city.  If you are serious about a flying job you should go after your dream.  Things run in cycles and with any luck your timing may be just right.  Get the degree and work through the ratings and you might be able to position yourself for the next hiring boom, either coporate or regional flying, and then move up to an airline job if that's what you want.  Good luck.

Jeff Gabrielson
Manager, Flight Operations
Delta Air Lines
LAX

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Hangar Flying / Crisis of Confidence...
« on: May 02, 2006, 02:01:21 PM »
Here's a thoght.  The wellness industry is exploding and there is a company in Provo Utah that has the pattented rights on a laser  that will make it the dominate leader in a Trillon dollar industry.  You could end up like my Friend Brent Bryson who was advised he needed to buy an airplane for a tax deduction.  So he bought a Pilatus.  Remeber the old saying, if you want to make a small fortune in avaition.........start out with a big one.  I have been with the Airlines for many years, don't be an airline pilot !  It is nothing like it used to be.  Long hours away from home and lately multiple pay cuts. check 800 337-7506.  Good luck.

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Hangar Flying / 29 days until I pick up my plane.
« on: May 01, 2006, 01:36:56 PM »
I flew a Katana from about 5 hours just before I bought my Long ez.  I had about 3 hours rear seat time before I soled her.  The thing that was a suprise to me was that it felt like it was on rails.  Not twitchy at all, but you don't need much movement to move her around.  All the other coments are right on.  One other thing, she is small inside so have your flight plan and paperwork ( sectionals ect. ) well organized.  With GPS and a moving map display it makes things eaiser.  Your gonna love it.

Jeff
N141

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Hangar Flying / G's
« on: May 01, 2006, 01:11:07 PM »
Didn't Burt test to faliure a canard that finally gave way at 11 G's ?  Thought I saw that in one of the Pushers.

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Hangar Flying / a partiularly horrible flying season
« on: September 08, 2005, 03:42:25 PM »
Mike
You right, this has been the worst spat of canard accidents I can remember.  I am not sure how many there have been, but it seems like around 6 or so in the last year.  I have had my Long ez since 1998, not the orginal builder, but have kept up with everything I can get my hands on.  Off field landings are the thing that scare me the most.  I have been thinking about putting in a rollbar, and after seening Hanson's Veri photos it sure make sense.

Regards
Jeff
Long ez serial number 26

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Hangar Flying / Dan Patch
« on: August 26, 2005, 03:55:39 PM »
I returned from a business trip to read about Dan's accident.  I am sick.  We have seen a steep increase in Canard accidents over the last 4-6 months.  I counted on Dan's expert advise to help me keep my Long in good shape.  He will be sorley missed.  My condolances go out to his family.

Jeff

Long ez N141

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Hangar Flying / just starting
« on: August 19, 2005, 09:13:35 PM »
I live in torrance and have my Long ez at Hawthorne.  Lets go flying sometime.

Jeff

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